Thursday, March 23, 2006

Gerry Butler vs Bob

My friend Sim Sim has dropped in and asked me a question re the measure of female fantasy. That he would think I can provide an answer to female anything flatters me. And I don’t mean that in The Crying Game sense, but rather in the ‘no one should take anything I say seriously’ sense.

Anyway. In the comments section of Meet Tyler Durden, Sami asked: "I got a question for you, well maybe something for all women in general. I find, in my experience, that most women refer to fictional characters, movies and books, when describing their dream boys, why is that?

It is rarely that names out of reality are referred to when talking about their tall, dark and handsome. Is it the fantasy factor again? Or is it more the packages on TV and the movies are sexier than reality? "


Again, please understand that my response is solely my own > I would love it if you all weighed in and provided your own perspectives on this issue.

(1) Why do women refer to fictional characters when describing their dream boy?
(a) The short personal answer is: When talking to a general audience it's much easier to tap into the Tyler Durden than it is to one of the two men I know personally. If I were to have written about either of the two men I reference, the reality is that no one on this blog knows them. They may have a general idea of one of them...but not on a personal level. And so, I chose to instead discuss a character in popular culture and to whom others may recognise / understand / relate.

(b) The more deep-rooted answer is: The reason I’m using the Tyler Durden character to describe one facet of my ideal mate is because I’m still single. I am a foolishly hopeless romantic and have deluded myself into believing that once I am firmly entrenched in a relationship, I will look at my significant other and think him my ideal. Always. And forever.

At that point, my writing would be along the lines of “…and my gorgeous alpha male husband…” or “H.O.T. = my husband” or “…my husband can kick your husband’s ass. Nya! Nya!” You get the point…

The bottom line is I’ve still not found what I’m looking for (thanks Bono!). In my mind’s eye, I have the measure of the man I want to hand myself over to. Referencing a character from a book or a movie provides some sense of tangibility.

When married, I will still reference general characters when speaking to an audience of people who know nothing about my partner; but in my head and heart, he is it. If he’s not, then I’ll walk. Actually, I just won’t get involved to begin with…

Clear as mud? Now, let’s get to the heart of the question…

(2) ...is film / the fantasy sexier than reality?

First, it’s critical we define fantasy because I believe there is a chasm between how men and women define this term. Men and women speak different languages and think in different ways. I think the trick is to bridge that gap without judging one another (or perceiving it as a threat to the femininity / masculinity of each another).

I’ve had this discussion with my male friends and asked “…do you fantasize?” The most honest answer I received was “Nah. We just masturbate. And besides. Why fixate on something that’s not real. If I can’t do it, I don’t want to think about it.”

Most of the women I know both believe and give in to the indulgence of fantasy. We define fantasy as an extension of our own reality. It’s our lives on steroids, magic mushrooms, heroin and cocaine. In fantasy, there is no disease, vice or regulation to possibility.

Is this because men and women are hardwired differently (nature)? Is it because men have been taught that nothing is beyond their reach, while societal constraints are placed on women (nurture)? I don’t know…but there’s probably some study out there that discusses this, just like there’s men out there who imagine the impossible, for the sheer pleasure of imagination.

Also, it is important to note that ‘fantasy’ is not just about the potential sexuality in any imagined situation, but rather the heightened super-human perfection of the self. And so ‘fantasy’ means being the world’s best writer, funniest comedienne, prettiest girl, the fourth member of The Power Puff Girls, kindest soul, fastest runner, sharpest strategist, strongest opponent, most vulnerable female, Oscar winning actress, rock-your-world girlfriend, prettiest crier, most nurturing mum, bestest friend in the whole wide world, able to leap over buildings, etc.

Not to mention the different layers of fantasy: (1) Fantasy With Potential (e.g. I want to walk on the moon); and, (2) Fantasy Without Potential (e.g. I want to leap over tall buildings).

But the original question posed fixates on the more illicit part of fantasy, and it is on that subject that I will offer my $0.02.

So my answer to your question is…
Yes: Film & fantasy are sexier than reality. Hence why we call it 'fantasy'.

Tyler Durden was hyper reality. His testosterone-driven character was slammed into two hours of testosterone-shot film. Tyler’s never bought me flowers. Or called me. Or asked me out to dinner. Because Tyler’s not real.

He is a figment of someone’s imagination, but for short moments in time, he becomes a part of my life and on to which I project what I want.

Note: I’m not fantasizing about Brad Pitt, the man, but rather Tyler Durden, the embodiment of certain characteristics.

But sometimes, there is fantasy around a certain actor / actress (which is: Fantasy Without Potential).

Let’s return to Gerry Butler and his leather speedo. Before meeting Gerry Butler, I thought he was a fox. I based that solely on my perception of what his PR people allowed him to show his audience. After I met him, I confirmed that he was a fox. But now that the restraining order has been issued, I’ll never really know.

Wait. What?

Sorry. Erm. Back to my point…
You lose yourself in fantasy when you’re bored and when there’s nothing in reality that can hold your attention or peak your interest. But that shouldn’t be perceived as a threat to the masculinity of real guys.

Meaning (& again I speak for myself here): While allowing ourselves the room for fantasy, that does not take away from the magic of a man in reality. Ergo, if I am sitting around thinking about Gerry Butler, and the man of my dreams asks me out for coffee out of the blue…Gerry Butler’s gone, baby. He’s history. Unless, of course, Gerry Butler’s the one asking me out for coffee (don’t laugh! ‘Tis a distinct possibility!).

What I’m getting at is that there’s nothing wrong with fantasy, so long as one understands it is just that. I’ll go so far as to say that Fantasy With Potential is an excellent thing and can serve as a driving force for people. But Fantasy Without Potential can be very damaging when the individual fantasizing confuses reality with fantasy and announces to his wife that he’s ”flying out to Tokyo where Angelina Jolie’s shooting a movie. I want to give it a chance because I think there’s a real possibility of us working out.”

And after years of marriage…Fantasy Without Potential will be inevitable. Chances are not in the first few years when the two are still gaga over one another and not even Gerry Butler in a leather speedo can rip your thoughts away from your man, but definitely later…just take a peek at all of the message boards about male celebrities out there. I would guess that most of the dedicated and heavy posters are either really young or have been married for years…

Better Gerry Butler (Fantasy Without Potential) than Bob from the office (Fantasy With Potential).

Can a couple of 37 years avoid this? Maybe...and I'll blog about that in about 40 years from now (I promise!).

Aside: Find it difficult to call him "Gerry", and must reference him as Gerry Butler...
...I hope that answers your questions.

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20 Comments:

Anonymous Sami said...

Wow…I was hoping for a comment back but a whole post to answer my question …I feel soooo special :)

Well, I ask you this because you are ….. well… Maha. And I won’t find any one better to ask

Ok take what I am going to write not as a judgment but to further this discussion. When I argue about things and counter any one’s point is not to prove my supremacy but to advance my understanding of humans and people that I know. Ok so we’re good :)


Here goes…

First, thanks for the knick name, please do not use it ever again….I am serious insert smiley face here!:)

Second, when I referred to movie characters and not to every day people, I meant that there are more tangible attributes of real people. For example, I admire Lance Armstrong for his mental tenacity and tough as nail personality. He took on cancer and beat it as well as competitors in some of tough modern day gladiator type events. I mean talk about “getting his knuckle bloodied”. History has stories and examples of worriers like Joan of Arc some of the muslims women who did battle beside men in the era of the phrohfit Mohamed. All these are more tangible and as real as they get. This is what I meant I am not talking about personal acquaintances per se.

Third, I, and speaking for me, consider fantasy as fruitless waste of my mental capacity. However, I agree with you when fantasy has potential become oh so sweet to pursue.

Personally I favor what I can control and influence to spend my time on, so that’s why I fantasize about my goals and what I need to do tomorrow to get where I want to be. I need to visualize things unfold before I can actually do them, be it in competitions, my first million…etc well I did not say dollars :)

For me, and there is no judgment and it may be as a writer this is essential for your craft, I am wired to think that fantasy without the desire to achieve it, eludes to that there is something missing in my life that I need that escape. If I spend time on something that will never come true it is a waste of my time, and does not add my life moments that I need to experience.

BTW I love fight club and Tyler in that movie. One of his memorable quotes that is stuck in my head is “ this is your life and it is ending one minute at a time” or something like that…. Love that recklessness about going after what he wants

Salam
Sami- no nick names please

Thu Mar 23, 03:26:00 PM  
Blogger Ella the Spy said...

Oh, Crikey. My head hurts. See, Maha, this is what I'm talking about. I have no way to comment on this intelligently, because my head is too full of philosophy just from *reading* it. :)

That's what you DO, babe.

xo

Thu Mar 23, 03:50:00 PM  
Blogger just a girl said...

Sami I see your button is your nickname. I will log that for future pushing. But not today :)

Heh. You're asking me because am a gazelle with unusually big eyes...how brilliant and poetic is the Arabic language. And of course I don't take anything you say offensively or as a means of asserting your supremacy. (psst! Where's your pointy white hat?). I kid!

Remember: I'm the one that constantly makes jokes during the most inappropriate times...

The forgotten queens of Islam, eh? I see your point and I take it >> excellent point. Too bad I don't dig history as much as I do pop culture ;)

You "consider fantasy as fruitless waste of my mental capacity."
That is totally your prerogative; as it is the prerogative of others to indulge whole heartedly and head first...

You "Personally I favour what I can control and influence to spend my time on, so that's why I fantasize about my goals and what I need to do tomorrow to get where I want to be."
Almost every single man I know says the exact same thing. It's such an interesting split between the majority of the sexes.
And again...that's not to say that there aren't women who don't have imaginations or men who don't fantasize.

You "For me, and there is no judgment and it may be as a writer this is essential for your craft, I am wired to think that fantasy without the desire to achieve it, eludes to that there is something missing in my life that I need that escape. If I spend time on something that will never come true it is a waste of my time, and does not add my life moments that I need to experience."
Definitely. If you, Sami, were to fantasize, I would start to worry. I'd think you were on a hallucinogenic and I'd call your mom and say "Texas. We had a problem. Roger Out" and to which she would respond with "Eeessh? Alooo? Meen? Tayseer?"

(now. if I didn't have a fantasy section to my mind, you wouldn't be smiling at what I just wrote about Ni3mati.)

But I'm not Sami (phew! I can't imagine you in red lipstick). And I've always had an active imagination. Were I to stop fantasy / imagination, it would mean that something's wrong. I wouldn't be as funny, either. Perhaps this is why I write so much...imagination makes for excellent story telling, my friend. (I'm using imagination / fantasizing interchangeably here because we've moved away from the illicit.)

Clarification required: Do you think that people who fantasize get nothing accomplished? Because, and only based on my personal experience, I >> she who fantasizes / daydreams / imagines the impossible << have accomplished in a few years what a lot of people never manage to even consider in a lifetime. That's an ego-heavy statement, and I stand by it 100%...and were I to even venture to tell you some of the realities of my life, you would think I was making them up. :)

Look. I too have a problem with people who lay around all day doing nothing but fantasizing. But I recognise that my problem isn't with the fact that they fantasize, but rather it's with the fact that they're lazy. ('Cus they could be laying around staring at ceiling and thinking: 'I see beige. Donuts. Cola. MVP. Lakers.')...

Also. Fantasy doesn't mean that there's something missing from your life. Because, ultimately, there's always something missing from your life >> and that's what drives you to achieve and succeed. For many, that's their push and their foundation. And if someone thinks there's nothing missing from their life, then they really need to evaluate.

And it's only fair to say that of course...when some people fantasize, it is because there's something missing from their lives. That's sad...but not my problem or my reality...or yours, actually. So it shouldn't bother either of us.

Is fantasy allowed only when it ultimately serves a purpose or comes to fruition? And so...then, for you, there's no need for Fantasy Without Potential, right? I think I got it...

Two small final points: (a) I expect that when you do make your first million (which you will, inshallah), you will start your own publishing house and publish my book first. I have to finish that damn book, though. & (b) My favourite line from Fight Club is one Rock reminded me of recently: "Now a question of etiquette: as I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch?" :)

salam,
maha

Thu Mar 23, 04:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Sami said...

cool and well said :)

at least I got you to stop using a nick name for me :)

Thu Mar 23, 04:43:00 PM  
Blogger Fifi said...

*ignores all the deep and meaningful stuff*

omg! you met Gerry?? did leghumpage occur, as previously promised??

;)

Thu Mar 23, 06:34:00 PM  
Blogger just a girl said...

Sami -- I hope you start posting more often :)

Ella -- Nonsense. The simple questions are: do you fantasize? If so...about what >> TC? Meh.

Fifi -- Leg hump did in fact occur. I couldn't get the bastard off me ;)

xoxo
m

Thu Mar 23, 10:41:00 PM  
Blogger Ella the Spy said...

HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHA.

I do in fact fantasize about TC, but not really as a *goal*.

My goal is to convince someone that they ought to let me be creative and pay me for it. ;)

Fri Mar 24, 12:24:00 AM  
Blogger Ella the Spy said...

Sorry, I should have said, my FANTASY is the creative thing.

Fri Mar 24, 12:25:00 AM  
Blogger just a girl said...

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Fri Mar 24, 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger just a girl said...

Sorry >> I deleted that post because I can't speak English this morning...

Here's a 2nd go.

Ella -- That's an awesome fantasy and one of which Sami would approve as it is Fantasy With Potential.

And you're so talented that it's a distinct possibility. Have we generated a strategy that would aide you in turning this fantasy a reality?

My top fantasy is to travel all over the world and write about my experiences.

I enjoy people watching and if I can do it all over the world, I would be a happy girl. Probably why I travel so much...

Only there's parts of the world I would love to visit but can't do it alone (being a single girl not conducive to travel log...).

xxx
maha

Fri Mar 24, 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger Ella the Spy said...

"Only there's parts of the world I would love to visit but can't do it alone (being a single girl not conducive to travel log...)."

That's where the "protection" thing comes in handy, heh heh!

World travel is a fantasy of mine, too...

Fri Mar 24, 10:36:00 AM  
Blogger just a girl said...

Ella -- Yeah...There are actually quite a few spots I wouldn't travel to alone. And because am Middle Eastern, I wouldn't be able to head to much of the Mid East alone either (unless I called myself Dana and pretended I didn't speak / understand Arabic)...

It's a weird cultural thing that I've come to accept re the Mid East.

My dream vacation's a full-blown several-months-long safari. Having done the research and 'cus of the travel / visits / sightseeing I'd want to do, it can cost upwards of $30,000. That's not going to happen any time soon, though...how on earth would I have time to blog?

xo
m

Fri Mar 24, 12:57:00 PM  
Blogger ♥ m said...

well, as soon as they start making battery operated Gerry's, he shall slide nicely into that Fantasy with Potential category eh? ;)

admit it, you totally made out with him! haha!

Lance Armstrong is a nice "real" example...until you remember he's the kind of twat who left his wife. (no, I don't know him or her or their circumstances, and I don't really care. I'm just sayin...) reality has shades to it, fantasy usually doesn't.

maybe all us singleton females who wouldn't travel otherwise should form a coalition and travel together.

huh? yes? sounds good eh? i'll pick you up at 8!! :P

Fri Mar 24, 01:01:00 PM  
Blogger just a girl said...

And. Lance Armstrong isn't hot.
And. I wouldn't care if he thought I was pretty.
And. I bet he doesn't look as good as Gerry in a leather Speedo.
BUT. I UNDERSTAND SAMI'S POINT.
BUT. Being shallow is fun.

OOOh a coalition? I love coalitions! They're so...solid.

Sounds great. 8 p.m.? EST? I'll keep an eye out for the mini. We'll drive to...South Africa?

xox
m
p.s. Battery operated? Only if it's capable of giving me big bear hugs and playing with my hair. And beating up the big bullies on the playground.

Fri Mar 24, 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous sami said...

I think Lance is a brick too. But you got to admire his tenacious drive. BTW some will have you on their hit list for saying that about lance, he is a god for some.

Maha, being shallow is fun but it seems too much work, is not supposed to be easier? :)

Fri Mar 24, 01:31:00 PM  
Blogger just a girl said...

LOL! I love this turn of phrase (have never heard it before) >> "I think Lance is a Brick too".

Know who else is a brick? Meatloaf.

And both Michelle and I are quite aware that we're going to be hunted down for slamming on The Armstrong, hence why we're driving to South Africa. In a mini. You think he's a brick >> we'll pick you up on our way West.

And yessssssssss. Being shallow requires much energy >> especially when one is attempting to balance shallow with still-kind-of-likeable. Are you having fun, though?

xo
m

Fri Mar 24, 01:43:00 PM  
Blogger ♥ m said...

i know, am aware I will be lambasted wherever I go for that opinion. I even dressed for the occassion. biker shorts and helmet, natch.

i get the point as well, but whereas these "real" examples exist, they have icky sides too is all I'm saying. and yes, miss maha, they often times aren't as HAWT.

fictional characters are easier to use as examples to convey a point because they're oftentimes spelled out for us and are, as maha mentioned, hyper reality. a walking singular characteristic devoid of that shadow of reality...usually (ah yes, caveat nicely inserted.)

south africa it is! *puts 'buy sunscreen' on my to-do list*

sorry, battery reference was re: your choice to call 'fantasy with potential' BOB << a funny coincidence i'm sure.

Fri Mar 24, 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Lisa said...

*disclaimer* Lisa's grumpy today for no good reason.

Ah yes, the fantasy...the perfect breath, never farts, truly understands you and loves you anyway. Escape is nice when you're licking your wounds...or even when you're not. Sometimes you can't find a real sanctuary, so fantasies work well.
Can you imagine me if I had no escape? :O

Reason for disclaimer: So Lance was blessed with a bizarre body. Yes, he trained, but he had an advantage. And hero because he bounced back from cancer? My brother-in-law died that horrific wasting to 85 pounds way of cancer with diapers and tube feeds and losing your mind from morphine. That's a hero.
*senses everyone backing away from their computers*
Hugs and kisses. :D

Fri Mar 24, 05:38:00 PM  
Blogger just a girl said...

Way to ruin a conversation Lisa.

KIDDING! I LOVE YOU, you know this. I cuddled with you? How can I not love you (am not a tramp!).

I think your brother-in-law's a hero too.

Wow >> there seems to be a real hate on for Lance in this place. I believe that you too, Lisa, must join us in the mini as we head out to Africa. We now have a full compact car. And Michelle will be wearing her ROOS. We can all place our luggage inside of the zippered area of her green ones.

xox
maha
p.s. me = innappropriate jokes at all the wrong times.

Wed Mar 29, 11:52:00 AM  
Blogger Lisa said...

Road trip? Cool! :D
Admitedly, I always wanted to go to Africa. When I was little...OK...when I was 6 years old...my best friend and I wanted to be vets and have pet chimps and live in Africa.
...in retrospect, the chimps would have been better than husbands. Always go with your first instinct.

*blasts the convo open again...albeit on a different line. oh well*

Wed Mar 29, 07:12:00 PM  

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